Post by jadedarkstar on Oct 30, 2016 3:07:52 GMT
I have been reading through the old Yahoo site and am shocked to see many notes from old players were having some of the same issues that we are having now. I post these only to show what the Past dealt with. We must make a change. We must learn from the past, for surely we will repeat it.
This is not to put anyone down at all. We all are a family but if we want the game to keep going we must change. Perhaps seeing what past players have said will help us to all change (me included)
this is from- Jul 11, 2004
Some concerns were brought to me for the last month that wish to play WtA not As the Cearn Turns. A good emotional scene on occasion is fine. I have contacted a friend that has beta tested most of the WW material his current projects is the VtR this was his comments. Warning the following letter is very lewd and crude... But needed.
Dear Lisa,
All I have to say is what the fuck. This is not Werewolf; I dont even recognize what the fuck game you are playing. Are your players more interested in fuzzy hands from masturbating than playing the game? Fucking Gay Garous? Whining? Paint my cabin pink and fly the rainbow fucking flag Lisa you know I am gay but fuck! I hope to my Gods that this is a Spiral Caern... If its not your in deep shit. Hell, if this were a Spiral Caern they would all be dead. Including your precious Dasha.
You asked for me to look over the logs done that. Needless to say I will not be joining this game anytime soon. I will however, offer some needed advise.
Tell your players to
Cut the crap
This is not a cyber tool
Keep the bullshit out of your main channel
Make Renown penalties for whining stiffer renown penalties for litany breeches
Were animals dont dick other weres of the same breeds. That just against the litany.
Make sure they understand this is the WoD and not Days of Our Sept
Get rid of the faggots Seriously girl I can almost walk through the logs and tell which are your cross gender characters.
Your Rules
Get the drama queens out of the main fucking channel. Remember these are hunters and fucking Aye killers they dont whine their God Damn tutus are too tight
Harsher punishments. That fucking wolf that went to the silver river should have died as well as the bastet.
You got a problem player ban their Asses.
Dont allow cross gender players to be gay I am sorry girl to say this Damn. I can pick them out easy. Matter of fact that brings me to my next point
Get sexuality out of the main channel I mean its fine to cuddle with your mate during down time but fuck HUMP ME NOW! Is not the theme of the game. If it is your fucked
But some standard BSD stats on your website if players are bored they can pull stats down and go kill a Dancer or Two. Not for Renown but for fun. Put your Minka stats up or hell any elder stats up and let them fight it Remember they are warriors.
On going enemies. You dont have to kill the bad guy at the end of the storyline There should be ever-present threats to the Caern.
I say, kill off the whiners or let them grow up, let this Caern fall to the wyrm and rebuild it. I am sorry girl, but this is how I feel. Given them something to fight for. Get it fixed and maybe I might break my rule of on line gaming and come play there.
Love you
Kevin and Bryan.
========================
Another one was posted ic on Sep 21th 2005
Mark hammered his message into the Elder's hall door. He wanted to
make sure everyone saw it and could think of no better way. He left
the caern immediately, knowing he had to prepare for a rough road ahead.
There is a growing problem in the caern, threatening everything we
have built. We have fallen to attacking each other, fighting like
desperate starving animals over a scrap of food, that could have all
they wished if only they would stop fighting and hunt together. We
should all be ashamed of ourselves. Somewhere, the minions of the
Wyrm laugh at our foolishness as watch us weaken ourselves, waiting to
finish us off. NO MORE! If you are truely creatures of Gaia you will
settle your differences and let go your anger.
Rank has lost its meaning here... which is an underlying cause of all
our problems. I will clarify the two pieces of the litany that seem
to conflict.
"Submission to Those of Higher Station" Wolves have a pack order,
it's natural, but not all of us are wolves. I'm sure all of you can
understand the nead to have someone in change to settle disputes.
Most important, however, is that WE ARE AT WAR. The war we fight with
the Wyrm is long, drawn out, and at times it is possible to forget it
exists. The moment we relax is when it strikes. Look at us... we
pull together when under threat then fall apart after it's over. We
need to keep out leaders, and respect their rule to keep order. If
you disagree, tell them so, respectfully. If you have an issue with a
leader, there is a proper way to handle it, and refusing to even
listen to them, insulting them to their face, and undermining their
authroity is NOT the way to do it. If this caern followed the old
ways, half of you would be dead, either from a pissed off elder
killing you, or from simply letting you die after a dispute turned
violent.
"Respect Those Beneath Ye - All Are of Gaia" This is why all of you
are alive. Every living creature deserves respect and fair treatment.
Life is worth preserving, we do not let our own die for no reason.
Even the mightiest of enders must show respect for a kinfolk. This
does not mean that rank is meaningless, anyone in chanrge earned the
right to hold their rank and has earned our trust to lead the caern.
If you do not trust an elders leadership... that is between you and
them and should not be brought into the open as has happened so much
recently. In fact, those of you that have been handling your issues
wiht elders with open shouting matches have broken the litany twice...
first for not respecting the higher rank, and again for nort
respecting them at all. Finally, if you feel an elder is being
unreasonable with you, thus disrespecting your right for personal
freedom, you have the right to challenge their reasoning. This IS NOT
a open excuse to disobey, under any cirumstances. This IS what you
should do when you think an elder is acting on bad information, or
incomplete information, or if they have let something compromise their
judgement. If this is done respectfully and calmly, not with
screaming and name calling, then the situation can be settled without
further incident.
It has been said by some that the spet leaders are not around when
needed. Many of them have lives in the human world, and famliies to
care for. Leadership places a lot of stress on the leader, and in
Dasha's case, too much. Our leaders must do a better job of being
available to make sure they aren't missed when needed, and to make
sure one is never overwhelmed again.
Stating these problems is one thing, but fixing them is much harder.
For too long I have tried to walk alone. It is time I do my duty to
this sept. I hearby challenge for the rank of Adren, and for the
right to sit as a caern elder, so that I can do my part to handle
these problems.
Sincerely,
Markesh
====================
This is not to put anyone down at all. We all are a family but if we want the game to keep going we must change. Perhaps seeing what past players have said will help us to all change (me included)
this is from- Jul 11, 2004
Some concerns were brought to me for the last month that wish to play WtA not As the Cearn Turns. A good emotional scene on occasion is fine. I have contacted a friend that has beta tested most of the WW material his current projects is the VtR this was his comments. Warning the following letter is very lewd and crude... But needed.
Dear Lisa,
All I have to say is what the fuck. This is not Werewolf; I dont even recognize what the fuck game you are playing. Are your players more interested in fuzzy hands from masturbating than playing the game? Fucking Gay Garous? Whining? Paint my cabin pink and fly the rainbow fucking flag Lisa you know I am gay but fuck! I hope to my Gods that this is a Spiral Caern... If its not your in deep shit. Hell, if this were a Spiral Caern they would all be dead. Including your precious Dasha.
You asked for me to look over the logs done that. Needless to say I will not be joining this game anytime soon. I will however, offer some needed advise.
Tell your players to
Cut the crap
This is not a cyber tool
Keep the bullshit out of your main channel
Make Renown penalties for whining stiffer renown penalties for litany breeches
Were animals dont dick other weres of the same breeds. That just against the litany.
Make sure they understand this is the WoD and not Days of Our Sept
Get rid of the faggots Seriously girl I can almost walk through the logs and tell which are your cross gender characters.
Your Rules
Get the drama queens out of the main fucking channel. Remember these are hunters and fucking Aye killers they dont whine their God Damn tutus are too tight
Harsher punishments. That fucking wolf that went to the silver river should have died as well as the bastet.
You got a problem player ban their Asses.
Dont allow cross gender players to be gay I am sorry girl to say this Damn. I can pick them out easy. Matter of fact that brings me to my next point
Get sexuality out of the main channel I mean its fine to cuddle with your mate during down time but fuck HUMP ME NOW! Is not the theme of the game. If it is your fucked
But some standard BSD stats on your website if players are bored they can pull stats down and go kill a Dancer or Two. Not for Renown but for fun. Put your Minka stats up or hell any elder stats up and let them fight it Remember they are warriors.
On going enemies. You dont have to kill the bad guy at the end of the storyline There should be ever-present threats to the Caern.
I say, kill off the whiners or let them grow up, let this Caern fall to the wyrm and rebuild it. I am sorry girl, but this is how I feel. Given them something to fight for. Get it fixed and maybe I might break my rule of on line gaming and come play there.
Love you
Kevin and Bryan.
========================
Another one was posted ic on Sep 21th 2005
Mark hammered his message into the Elder's hall door. He wanted to
make sure everyone saw it and could think of no better way. He left
the caern immediately, knowing he had to prepare for a rough road ahead.
There is a growing problem in the caern, threatening everything we
have built. We have fallen to attacking each other, fighting like
desperate starving animals over a scrap of food, that could have all
they wished if only they would stop fighting and hunt together. We
should all be ashamed of ourselves. Somewhere, the minions of the
Wyrm laugh at our foolishness as watch us weaken ourselves, waiting to
finish us off. NO MORE! If you are truely creatures of Gaia you will
settle your differences and let go your anger.
Rank has lost its meaning here... which is an underlying cause of all
our problems. I will clarify the two pieces of the litany that seem
to conflict.
"Submission to Those of Higher Station" Wolves have a pack order,
it's natural, but not all of us are wolves. I'm sure all of you can
understand the nead to have someone in change to settle disputes.
Most important, however, is that WE ARE AT WAR. The war we fight with
the Wyrm is long, drawn out, and at times it is possible to forget it
exists. The moment we relax is when it strikes. Look at us... we
pull together when under threat then fall apart after it's over. We
need to keep out leaders, and respect their rule to keep order. If
you disagree, tell them so, respectfully. If you have an issue with a
leader, there is a proper way to handle it, and refusing to even
listen to them, insulting them to their face, and undermining their
authroity is NOT the way to do it. If this caern followed the old
ways, half of you would be dead, either from a pissed off elder
killing you, or from simply letting you die after a dispute turned
violent.
"Respect Those Beneath Ye - All Are of Gaia" This is why all of you
are alive. Every living creature deserves respect and fair treatment.
Life is worth preserving, we do not let our own die for no reason.
Even the mightiest of enders must show respect for a kinfolk. This
does not mean that rank is meaningless, anyone in chanrge earned the
right to hold their rank and has earned our trust to lead the caern.
If you do not trust an elders leadership... that is between you and
them and should not be brought into the open as has happened so much
recently. In fact, those of you that have been handling your issues
wiht elders with open shouting matches have broken the litany twice...
first for not respecting the higher rank, and again for nort
respecting them at all. Finally, if you feel an elder is being
unreasonable with you, thus disrespecting your right for personal
freedom, you have the right to challenge their reasoning. This IS NOT
a open excuse to disobey, under any cirumstances. This IS what you
should do when you think an elder is acting on bad information, or
incomplete information, or if they have let something compromise their
judgement. If this is done respectfully and calmly, not with
screaming and name calling, then the situation can be settled without
further incident.
It has been said by some that the spet leaders are not around when
needed. Many of them have lives in the human world, and famliies to
care for. Leadership places a lot of stress on the leader, and in
Dasha's case, too much. Our leaders must do a better job of being
available to make sure they aren't missed when needed, and to make
sure one is never overwhelmed again.
Stating these problems is one thing, but fixing them is much harder.
For too long I have tried to walk alone. It is time I do my duty to
this sept. I hearby challenge for the rank of Adren, and for the
right to sit as a caern elder, so that I can do my part to handle
these problems.
Sincerely,
Markesh
====================