Post by jadedarkstar on Oct 30, 2016 5:20:06 GMT
20:38] * +Angel` chuckled to fin "i would feel safer, if you keep it on you or near where you can get it easy yes, but right now your here so we dont need to." she smiled "H Four. I uhh have decieded to do a project of my own. May I ask you a question?"
[20:38] <+RyanM> I've actually uh... considered trying to get into the trade. I might need to pick your brain some time
[20:39] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> Would look towards Four as she came out, the spirit smiling, her tail waving towards her in greeting.
[20:40] * +Finnegan_O`Connell smiles and nods to Angel, sitting and waiting while she talks to Four.
[20:40] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Wow, everyone wants ta be a mechanic now! I gotta warn you guys, it's not all magic monster trucks, it's mostly grease and smashed toes." *she sits up on her bottom and looks over at Angel* "Whatcha working on, angel?"
[20:41] <+RyanM> I mean i work the streets a bit. Might help me to know how to work with machines out there.
[20:41] <+RyanM> I can sing a tad too..
[20:43] <+Angel`> "I want to get the Litany from many different views. Basically I want to take notes of what different tribes, and breeds think the Litany means to them. Maybe if we post it some where others will see its not just how they belive it is but how we as a nation belive it is, each tribe thinks a little differently don't we?"
[20:45] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *puts her paws on her head* "...wow. I dunno Angel, I mean, I just fix da cars, I ain't really a lawyer."
[20:48] <+RyanM> Honestly, i adhere to it. I dun study it.
[20:48] <+RyanM> I'm just a bruiser.
[20:48] * +Angel` she chuckled "alright ill ask another, I'm just trying to figure out some issues in my head and maybe its because how mom was raised and how I was.."
[20:49] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> would lift her head, looking over to Angel. "There are many ways those laws of your people are viewed dear. Some regard them far more highly and purely, while others, well they try to view and twist them to there own whims and benfit. It is a sad rality, yet a reality all the same."
[20:49] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Well, I mean I guess I can tell ya some time. It is sorta my gaia-givin' duty. I know it and all."
[20:50] * +RyanM nodded sitting back and finishing his drink.
[20:50] * +Angel` smiled softly "it is?"
[20:51] <+RyanM> Philodox yo.
[20:51] <+RyanM> It's what they do.
[20:51] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Yah, I'm a Philodox, it's my job ta be able to explain. I guess my understandin works better with cars than with peoples, though, yanno?"
[20:51] * +RyanM nodded looking to Four.
[20:52] <+RyanM> If ye have time for an apprentice. I can pay ya back somehow
[20:52] * +Finnegan_O`Connell listens to the conversation, glancing around the room.
[20:53] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Are ya a philodox too, or a mechanic? I don't think I've met, I'm Four-on-the-Floor, Glass Walker Philodox & Umbral Pilot." *she pads over to Ryan and offers her paw to shake*
20:53] <+RyanM> Ryan Maynard. Veiled fury, shadow lord ahroun. :he shook:
[20:53] <+RyanM> Helped ya cut the carpeting out of that SUV
[20:54] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Oh yah I remember that." *Four shakes like a person, not a dog; her shoulder moves naturally and her paw grips his hand, somehow* "But I don't think we did the full sniff-yer-ass level 'hello'."
[20:57] <+RyanM> Fair enough. Good to meet you formally.
[20:57] * +Angel` chuckled "see I am so sorry Four, i thought you were a ragga bass i do not know why"
[20:57] <+RyanM> If there's anything i can do. Just ask. I've don't pull on the streets, if you need parts or anything. Might be able to find some.
[20:58] <+RyanM> (*some pull*)
[21:00] <+Angel`> "Alright four if we cant talk about the whole Litany could maybe we talk about two that are interlocked?"
[21:00] * +Finnegan_O`Connell stands and walks over to the bar, not grabbing or fixing anything just perusing the selection.
[21:01] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "I got good lines on parts, thanks, but I'll help show ya how to use a ratchit." *she says, releasing his hand. She looks to Angel* "Interlocked? You mean the' matin' one?"
[21:02] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> She would tilt her head some, watching and listing to the others with a soft smile on her jaws.
[21:02] <+Angel`> "No that one I pretty much understand but the respect those of higher and below you one. I see so many people braking that one, even me sometimes by accident but it does happen. I just want to know if maybe others arent breaking it. Maybe it is just the way they belive?"
[21:03] * +Finnegan_O`Connell blinks and looks over to Angel and Four again.
[21:03] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Ah. Well, part of what's weird on thatun, er, those two, is that one applies just to the Garou n' the other applies to everyone th' group deal with, including each other."
[21:04] <+RyanM> It's pretty simple that. Just show respect to those deserving of it. Right?
[21:04] <+RyanM> You can have authority without abusing it. And respect for those above.
[21:05] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "'Respect Thhose Above Ya' is just general hierarchy. We got ranks, we got years. If someone has rank over you, ya gotta know they have it for a reason & respect that. If someone is tha same rank but has had it longer, respect them too. Trust yer Elders as far as ya can. If they're a lot higher, keep outta their way; Elder don't always have time to explain stuff to a Cliath."
[21:06] * +RyanM nodded
[21:06] * M` (Arete@sorcery-rt5a2v.fios.verizon.net) has joined #darkshadows^shifters
[21:06] * Sari sets mode: +v M`
[21:06] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "'Respect Those Below ya' is about us dealin with things we have power over. I got power over a Cliath. I also got power over th' kinfolks because I could break 'em in half like a biscotti if'n I wanted. I got power over the' ants in my garage."
21:07] <+Angel`> "Well the above one I sure do try to obey I know ive made some mistakes but at least I ain't got my tongue ripped out like mom, but the one I see more and more shoved in my face is the respect those below you. How do you see kin how can I walk the line of having respect for some even if they show me no respect? Yet I cant try and tell them to respect me or else they say "respect those below you" it sounds so wierd doesn't it" shed ask.
[21:07] <+RyanM> There's a line between respect. And letting them use that to control you.
[21:08] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "And it's up to me, bein; the one on top, to understand how my power over 'em effects everything. Like, if I'm workin' on a car engine, if I ignore even the wrong bolt or whatever, ya know, I could make that whole engine blow up by me bein a dumbass."
[21:08] <+RyanM> We are their warriors. We fight to defend them.
[21:08] <+RyanM> We don't have to bow to their every whim. But we care for, protect, and nurture them.
[21:08] <+RyanM> In return they support us.
[21:08] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "If I'm an Elder, and I decide I need to beat up all the Cliaths who give me giref, well I ight kill or scar 'em, and there's mental scars, and here I've gone n' screwed up the generation of warriors what;s supposed ta replace me when I croak."
[21:09] * +Mikkelus listens and contiues his skritchings, hands warm and soothing, offering homage to Breeze
[21:09] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Everything da top dog does trickles down to da bottom, ya gotta respect who yer on top of because every gear turns another and another and another ta make our world fgo 'round the right way. Without blowin' up."
[21:09] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> "I would also strongly urge all to take a page from the young ones book. If one, and I would say no matter there rank or standing are starting to get on your nerves? Remove yourself from that sitiation if you are able. I would think it is without saying, that keeping ones self from unneedingly going into a rage would be a vary smart thing."
[21:10] * +RyanM nodded at that
[21:10] * +Angel` she hugged fin "id never try and hurt him or command him to do anything dangrious but if one of you told him to get scace or go do something helpful or stay out of a Trueblood discussion id hope he would listen" she smiled to Fin and looked back to Four and Ryan.
[21:10] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "And the first one is about respect, too. Those below ya ain't got what it takes ta be where you are, or they'd be there. If someone is higher rank, chances are they know somethin you don't. You godda trust em and not give 'em crap. That one ties into that War Time/Peace Time laws."
[21:11] <+RyanM> And if a kin don't want to listen when an order is given, well, that's when things get hazy...
[21:12] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "If da boss tells you to don somethin, and there's no problem, ya do it, right? Now, if the boss tells you ta do somethin and you got a problem with it? Then you gotta raise yer head and look. What's goin on? Does this elder have time to talk to you about it because we're at peace? Or, does it need done now because somethin' important is goin' on? If there;s a crisis, ya do what ye told."
[21:12] * +Angel` nods to brezze too.
[21:12] * +Finnegan_O`Connell puts and arm around Angel as he's hugged, looking between her and the others.
21:12] <+RyanM> Falls on their mate to see that they respect what's due. But to protect them when that power is abused. Aye?
[21:13] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "As for Kin - now if a Kin is here hangin' out, this ain't a clubhouse. If a Kin is here they're here ta help and they need to be helpin. Kin are way at the bottom, below da cubs even, because they have no idea what it's like. If they don't wanna respect that and don't wanna help they don't need ta be underfoot."
[21:14] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "But they also aint slaves - if one of 'em wants to be around us big dangerous brutes n' help us against enemies, we gotta appreciate that. Really, Litany aside, anyone doin' their bit should be appreciated and anyonen not needs to be put in line 'r replaced."
[21:15] * +Angel` nods a bit to that "and I agree with that too. Everyones got a job to do. I dont have to but I like to bake so I help there but my jobs primarly to be ready to go claw soemthing up thats threatning any of gaias creatures." she looked to fin smilign softly then to four listening.
[21:15] <+M`> a huge wolf Pads down slowly.. the thing almost the size of some hipso's. the long deep black furr had touches of vilent and blue.. it move sit down and watch them all
[21:15] * +RyanM nodded to the group
[21:16] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *settles down* "I guess ya gotta understand - that litany is like everything else, too. One piece at a time, is nothin', ya can't look at it that way. It's one big thing with a buncha parts that work tagether, and if ya can't see that then you can't unnerstandit."
[21:17] * +RyanM nodded and smiled a bit.
[21:17] <+Angel`> "True too Four, but my issue ive seen a lot of, and maybe it was jsut brought to my forfrount, was that kin who came from a diffrent sept and disrespected Draka like she did..i mean not only was she a kin but also she wasnt even a member of our sept. have just..ive bee told all my life these are the rules you follow them, you protect all of gaias creatures because thats what I do, but I have been seening more and more kin not respecting us"
[21:18] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> She speaks the true. 'she nods to Four.' Kin are not slave. They are an intragel part of the nation and should be shown at least that much respect. They have there place in the nation as you true borns have your own. 'She would lifts a talon to tap at her jaw.' One reason it has vexed Young wind to no end when she has seen some garou treating kin as if they were less then
[21:18] <+Shadow_wind> dirt, or mere things.
[21:19] <+M`> the Larhe wolf shifted to a tall six foot six woman and strethced out.. and then crossed her arm. she was in a tshirt and boxers only. as se came down just et a beer.. the woman head tilting" Can i ehlp?"
[21:19] * M` is now known as Reily`
[21:19] * +Angel` nods as she looked to brezze to "no not slaves"
[21:19] <+RyanM> I know my place. My mate knows hers. She is my lover, confidant, and one day may carry future warriors.
[21:20] <+RyanM> In return i fight to protect her.
[21:20] * +Angel` looekd to Reily "we are discussing the Litany and spifictly the respect those above and below you and how it comes to deal with Kin."
[21:20] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> Indeed they are not hun, though unfortunatly, there are many that think that they are.
[21:20] <+RyanM> My tribe sadly is not always so kind.
21:20] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So this one time I was in da shop up with Big Al & Vinnie. Now, what it was was they needed a triuphver... they needed a groupa three guys, elders from different tribes. Now, Big Al is an Elder glass walker, and he wa shandy, n' the Wolfe Street shop is real private, so this here Shadow lord and this here Fenrir show up to have a little meeting in the back room."
[21:21] * +Finnegan_O`Connell turns and looks over at the large wolf as she shifts and nods in greeting as she joins the conversation.
[21:21] <+Angel`> "I think a reason I am asking is I am about to challnge for my adren rank yet I still have so many questions. I know the laws but maybe learning how it is interpited by the rest of the tribes might help understanding them more not jsut knowing and obeying them."
[21:21] * +Mikkelus offers Reilly a smile and a nod, though his hands were rather occuiped. Then again... how many chances in a lifetime do you have to give skritches to a spirit-dragon?
[21:22] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Now Vinnie, see, he doesn't like stuffed shorts much and back then he had a little trouyble keepin his tongue; he's a hot-head. So this Shadow lord, he don't like 'im. Maybe this guy ain't properly polite to Vinnie, yeah, but Vinnies a Cliath and this Lord and lady are Elders n' here for business.
[21:22] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "But Vinnie ends up mouthin' off to this Shadow Lord as they're gettin' settled into tha meeting. Now, this is Big Al's turf,. his responsibility, ya know? This comes back on him."
[21:23] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So 'e takes Vinnie upside the head with a three-inch spanner, puts him right on the floor. Apologized, they all had a real nice meetin' while Vinnie had a real nice nap.
[21:23] * +RyanM upnodded to. Reilly politely.
[21:24] <+RyanM> Tire iron diplomacy at its finest.
[21:24] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Now ever since then, Vinnie still don't like stuffed-shirts, but when he sees one he remembers he's got a lump on his skull that ya can size a three-inch bolt against 'n he keeps his trap shut."
[21:24] * +Reily` Blinks and then Nodded." and what do you all think Mmm? where do kin fall?"
[21:25] * +Angel` nods to four "Ohh I can see what your saying, wow." nods to that and looked to Reilly respect given to the athro with a bow of the head ing reeting before back to four and back to reily "Me?"
[21:27] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *looks at Ryan* "Half-inch spanner."
[21:28] <+Trish> ((**sorry that was at reilly))
[21:29] * +Finnegan_O`Connell lets Angel go and walks over to a chair to sit, glancing at Four.
[21:29] * +RyanM bowed his head to the elder wolf
[21:30] * +Mikkelus raises an eyebrow at Four's anaolgy, waiting for an elaboration while continuing to knead and stroke the dragon
[21:33] <+Reily`> the elder wolf waiting for their asnwers.." All of you"
[21:35] <+RyanM> Kin are there to support us. They raise our children, comfort us. But they're still... important. Still deserving of some manner of respect and decency.
[21:35] <+RyanM> If my understanding is correct.
21:36] <+Angel`> "To me Kin are a gift from gaia , not only to help us keep the worrior line strong but to be there for us when we come home, to remind us what we are fighting for. To love us even when we are bloody and angry and bitchy.. we are to protect and care for them but they also should know what not to do like talking back to any trueblood is a big nono because if they disespect and elder or even a cub or claith. it all comes back on thier mate. Eathier mate, tribe, or parent. "
[21:38] <+Reily`> she stopped and then cracked a beer, adjusted her boxers so not flash them anything improper and sat" Yes. and No. Mmm have any of you ever heard of the twins?" she asked softly.
[21:39] <+Angel`> "I have not no."
[21:40] * +RyanM listened in to the elder wisdom
[21:40] * +Angel` she'd put her hand in fins and turn to look at the elder and listen.
[21:41] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Tha Simpson Twins?"
[21:41] <+Reily`> She looks over the rest sipping her beer as she waited. and then began" Many years ago. a set of twin's were born. One was of the true blood. his brother? was Not. a Kinfolk. they were born to the shadowlords the legend goes. And like many shadow lords. enemies were made" she said sipping the beer.
[21:42] * +Mikkelus thinks, listens, not wishing to interrupt. His hands continued to offer Breeze the warmth of his vitality
[21:42] * +Angel` listned intently for angel really was trying to learn from every one that was why shed asked the question earlyier.
[21:42] * +Finnegan_O`Connell curls his fingers around the hand, looking at it quietly as he listens.
[21:42] <+Reily`> " So the twin brother. though not true born was a warrior, and honorable. true. But understood his place. Kin are here to serve us.. as we serve me. as gaia gives us each a duty. we protect. the bears heal.. the felines find secerts.. But kinfolk have their own place.."
[21:43] * +RyanM sat back and smiled some.
[21:43] <+Reily`> " a war party came marching on the castle. The trueborn, a Ahroun alpha. was prepaired to fight this army of the wyrm.. and then fight them all... As it was only he. the wyrm was here to destroy for some reason lost to legend."
[21:45] * +Angel` she listened and held tight to fins hand.
[21:45] <+Reily`> " the ahroun was about go to battle, when his brother stabed and half gutted, him.. stopping him. and ordered the rest takethe ahroun from the battle. to save his brother.. and to move the caern heart stone. and save the rest.. "
[21:45] <+Reily`> " and then. the Kin.. dressed as his brother. Went out to fight.. the wyrm. So his brother. His people could live. Why?"
[21:46] * +Angel` blinkked
[21:46] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Becasue a' duty."
[21:46] <+Angel`> "Wow, really?"
[21:46] <+RyanM> To protect and honor his family.
[21:46] * +RyanM closed his eyes nodding.
21:46] <+Reily`> " Correct. Angel. you need realize. Kinfolk. are ours to protect.. and Honor. but they also have a scared duty to us.."
[21:47] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *pads over* "Here, let me say dis. You know Metis, right?"
[21:47] * +Angel` looked between them all. "But were the ones who are suposed to protect the,." she blinkked again it was hard for her to understand , she was but it still was a new way for her to hear it.
[21:47] <+Reily`> " we should not treat them as slaves or breeders only. that is part of the garou shall not mate with garou.. to stop shameful metis like me.. and also. To make us realize the kinfolk hgave a holy duty.." and she loks at four." Yes I am metis"
[21:47] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Imagine you had a Metis in yer sept who was born without da ability to heal & rage like da rest of us, right? Can you think of it?" *she asks Angel*
[21:48] * +Angel` looked to four a nod "I do yes, mom was one and I..Yes I know" she nods "Oh ok yes I can see i can think of that"
[21:48] <+RyanM> Does that make them any less a garou?
[21:48] <+RyanM> No. They still have their duty. And will carry it out.
[21:48] * +RyanM lookef to Four.
[21:49] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *waves a paw at Ryan* "
[21:49] <+Reily`> " correct. You need understand young one. I am not dismissing kinfolk. " she said softly." But we garou once forgot the special roles.. the war of rage. when we forgot other fera had sacred duties also."
[21:50] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "No, no, I am sayin. this guy is still your brotha. He is one of you, right? Born ta serve Gaia n' the cause. But you also gotta know, he can't do everything you do. If he gets his guts ripped out, they're stayin' out. And you gotta respect that."
[21:50] <+Reily`> " this is similar. the Kinfolk are here.. for us. To nuture us, guide us. understand and compationship.. but same point. their Not us."
[21:50] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So, Kinfolk are like dat., They're family, but they git limits, serious ones, and we gotta keep that in mind. Appreciate the help they give, love n' protect 'em, but keep them away from what dey can't do or can't unnerstand."
[21:53] * +Reily` she nods gently.." Sir?" she eyed finn." your a kinfolk yes?"
[21:53] * +RyanM listened in quietly taking it all in.
[21:53] * +Finnegan_O`Connell blinks slowly and looks from Angel's hand to Reily. "Yes."
[21:53] * +Angel` she nods to both four and reily. Looking between them both. "I understand that, I do now but honestly it wasnt explained to me in that way. So My task has worked in away. I did learn a new way of thinking of it and that I thank you for. I am jsut trying to understand why some tribes hink diffrently, and perhapse that was why some kin act diffrently too. if there tought that way and.." she looked to fin
[21:54] <+Finnegan_O`Connell> "...Rhya." He adds.
[21:54] * +Mikkelus watches and listens, fingertips raking gently down the length of Breeze's neck and side
21:55] <+Reily`> " Do you know the Pain of shifting? Or how hard it is not to rage." she laughed." I am reily. I dont worry about Rank. if i did all these pups would need use it to" she chuckles.." my point is as four said.. i dont want you feel. Underminsed or weaker. its just different. similar how.. I will never understand how you feel as human"
[21:56] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "You homnids and metis have it easy. You don't know what it's like startin otuy as a wolf. Man, I was so STUPID back then! I couldn;t figure out doorknobs, I slept in da dirt. It's humiliatin' to look back. And now, I can't even go back to dose wolfs I knew because i can't relate to 'em."
[21:57] <+RyanM> I'm.. sorry to hear that Four...
[21:57] * +Mikkelus looked at Four then, offering a curiously sad and knowing smile
[21:57] * +RyanM listened to the conversation quietly.
[21:59] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> would shift her position some. "All vary true and valid points. But dispite there limits, there are times were even the kin, or any mortal can rise above and beyond what one might think was there limits." She murrs deeply a moment. "Then again, any one can be full of surprises, if given even half a chance."
[21:59] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *widens her eyes and sits up* "Whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry, I didn;'t mean ta crash da party, don't feel bad, I'm fine now." *she pauses* "Huh.... party crasher..." *she tugs a pad from her belt and writes down a note, holding the pen in her widdle paw*
22:00] <+RyanM> It's cool Four. :he smiled some
[22:01] * +Finnegan_O`Connell glances at Four and then the dragon spirit, turning back to Reily with a single nod. "Being different has been one of the clearest points for me, since I came here."
[22:01] * +Angel` smiled to four "no no, thank you for your help and advice too all of you have helped me understand some of my questions.
[22:02] <+Reily`> the large female reacheds out and strokes fours head once
[22:03] <+RyanM> It's good to hear these things from our elders.
[22:03] <+RyanM> Those whose wisdom far surpasses our own.
[22:05] <+Reily`> she laughs and then sips more beer." some think i break the litany at times.. I just learned it differently.snd see a different side"
[22:05] <+RyanM> We all interpret it differently.
[22:05] <+RyanM> Some of my tribe back home disagreed with a lot of my thoughts on a few different issues.
[22:06] * +Reily` she downed the last her beer. and yawns
[22:07] * +Angel` nods "and thats what I am so confused about. I grew up learning what mom learned at that was the Fenris way. More or less. So learning from different rhymes be you elder or not, you all are helping me understand things that I think is import for us all to know."
[22:08] <+RyanM> The Garou Nation are a collection of many. We all need to learn to work together sometimes.
[22:09] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Yup, just like an engine, we need all our parts. From normal little cliaths like Angel here ta this ragabash elder to weirdos like me to that scary wolf livin back in da corner, we're all in it toagther - even if all our teeth don't want to line up side-bu-side."
[22:09] <+Reily`> " Angel. I am not a elder. Onlt a Anthro." she laughed and stood, scatched her balls. then moved to grab anothe rbeer
[22:09] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> Unfortunatly dears, as that saying goes, that is easier said then done. 'she shakes her ehad sadly.'
[22:11] <+RyanM> I try not to be the stereotype my tribe is known for... I've gotten a lot of shit for it.
[22:11] <+RyanM> You can be political and proud without being a backstabbing murderer as others put it to me once.
2:11] * +Angel` nods "still rhyas then thank you all of you for this nice converation it was nice to sit and discus soemthing like this.. now one more question any one know cinnmons faviors food?"
[20:38] <+RyanM> I've actually uh... considered trying to get into the trade. I might need to pick your brain some time
[20:39] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> Would look towards Four as she came out, the spirit smiling, her tail waving towards her in greeting.
[20:40] * +Finnegan_O`Connell smiles and nods to Angel, sitting and waiting while she talks to Four.
[20:40] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Wow, everyone wants ta be a mechanic now! I gotta warn you guys, it's not all magic monster trucks, it's mostly grease and smashed toes." *she sits up on her bottom and looks over at Angel* "Whatcha working on, angel?"
[20:41] <+RyanM> I mean i work the streets a bit. Might help me to know how to work with machines out there.
[20:41] <+RyanM> I can sing a tad too..
[20:43] <+Angel`> "I want to get the Litany from many different views. Basically I want to take notes of what different tribes, and breeds think the Litany means to them. Maybe if we post it some where others will see its not just how they belive it is but how we as a nation belive it is, each tribe thinks a little differently don't we?"
[20:45] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *puts her paws on her head* "...wow. I dunno Angel, I mean, I just fix da cars, I ain't really a lawyer."
[20:48] <+RyanM> Honestly, i adhere to it. I dun study it.
[20:48] <+RyanM> I'm just a bruiser.
[20:48] * +Angel` she chuckled "alright ill ask another, I'm just trying to figure out some issues in my head and maybe its because how mom was raised and how I was.."
[20:49] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> would lift her head, looking over to Angel. "There are many ways those laws of your people are viewed dear. Some regard them far more highly and purely, while others, well they try to view and twist them to there own whims and benfit. It is a sad rality, yet a reality all the same."
[20:49] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Well, I mean I guess I can tell ya some time. It is sorta my gaia-givin' duty. I know it and all."
[20:50] * +RyanM nodded sitting back and finishing his drink.
[20:50] * +Angel` smiled softly "it is?"
[20:51] <+RyanM> Philodox yo.
[20:51] <+RyanM> It's what they do.
[20:51] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Yah, I'm a Philodox, it's my job ta be able to explain. I guess my understandin works better with cars than with peoples, though, yanno?"
[20:51] * +RyanM nodded looking to Four.
[20:52] <+RyanM> If ye have time for an apprentice. I can pay ya back somehow
[20:52] * +Finnegan_O`Connell listens to the conversation, glancing around the room.
[20:53] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Are ya a philodox too, or a mechanic? I don't think I've met, I'm Four-on-the-Floor, Glass Walker Philodox & Umbral Pilot." *she pads over to Ryan and offers her paw to shake*
20:53] <+RyanM> Ryan Maynard. Veiled fury, shadow lord ahroun. :he shook:
[20:53] <+RyanM> Helped ya cut the carpeting out of that SUV
[20:54] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Oh yah I remember that." *Four shakes like a person, not a dog; her shoulder moves naturally and her paw grips his hand, somehow* "But I don't think we did the full sniff-yer-ass level 'hello'."
[20:57] <+RyanM> Fair enough. Good to meet you formally.
[20:57] * +Angel` chuckled "see I am so sorry Four, i thought you were a ragga bass i do not know why"
[20:57] <+RyanM> If there's anything i can do. Just ask. I've don't pull on the streets, if you need parts or anything. Might be able to find some.
[20:58] <+RyanM> (*some pull*)
[21:00] <+Angel`> "Alright four if we cant talk about the whole Litany could maybe we talk about two that are interlocked?"
[21:00] * +Finnegan_O`Connell stands and walks over to the bar, not grabbing or fixing anything just perusing the selection.
[21:01] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "I got good lines on parts, thanks, but I'll help show ya how to use a ratchit." *she says, releasing his hand. She looks to Angel* "Interlocked? You mean the' matin' one?"
[21:02] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> She would tilt her head some, watching and listing to the others with a soft smile on her jaws.
[21:02] <+Angel`> "No that one I pretty much understand but the respect those of higher and below you one. I see so many people braking that one, even me sometimes by accident but it does happen. I just want to know if maybe others arent breaking it. Maybe it is just the way they belive?"
[21:03] * +Finnegan_O`Connell blinks and looks over to Angel and Four again.
[21:03] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Ah. Well, part of what's weird on thatun, er, those two, is that one applies just to the Garou n' the other applies to everyone th' group deal with, including each other."
[21:04] <+RyanM> It's pretty simple that. Just show respect to those deserving of it. Right?
[21:04] <+RyanM> You can have authority without abusing it. And respect for those above.
[21:05] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "'Respect Thhose Above Ya' is just general hierarchy. We got ranks, we got years. If someone has rank over you, ya gotta know they have it for a reason & respect that. If someone is tha same rank but has had it longer, respect them too. Trust yer Elders as far as ya can. If they're a lot higher, keep outta their way; Elder don't always have time to explain stuff to a Cliath."
[21:06] * +RyanM nodded
[21:06] * M` (Arete@sorcery-rt5a2v.fios.verizon.net) has joined #darkshadows^shifters
[21:06] * Sari sets mode: +v M`
[21:06] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "'Respect Those Below ya' is about us dealin with things we have power over. I got power over a Cliath. I also got power over th' kinfolks because I could break 'em in half like a biscotti if'n I wanted. I got power over the' ants in my garage."
21:07] <+Angel`> "Well the above one I sure do try to obey I know ive made some mistakes but at least I ain't got my tongue ripped out like mom, but the one I see more and more shoved in my face is the respect those below you. How do you see kin how can I walk the line of having respect for some even if they show me no respect? Yet I cant try and tell them to respect me or else they say "respect those below you" it sounds so wierd doesn't it" shed ask.
[21:07] <+RyanM> There's a line between respect. And letting them use that to control you.
[21:08] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "And it's up to me, bein; the one on top, to understand how my power over 'em effects everything. Like, if I'm workin' on a car engine, if I ignore even the wrong bolt or whatever, ya know, I could make that whole engine blow up by me bein a dumbass."
[21:08] <+RyanM> We are their warriors. We fight to defend them.
[21:08] <+RyanM> We don't have to bow to their every whim. But we care for, protect, and nurture them.
[21:08] <+RyanM> In return they support us.
[21:08] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "If I'm an Elder, and I decide I need to beat up all the Cliaths who give me giref, well I ight kill or scar 'em, and there's mental scars, and here I've gone n' screwed up the generation of warriors what;s supposed ta replace me when I croak."
[21:09] * +Mikkelus listens and contiues his skritchings, hands warm and soothing, offering homage to Breeze
[21:09] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Everything da top dog does trickles down to da bottom, ya gotta respect who yer on top of because every gear turns another and another and another ta make our world fgo 'round the right way. Without blowin' up."
[21:09] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> "I would also strongly urge all to take a page from the young ones book. If one, and I would say no matter there rank or standing are starting to get on your nerves? Remove yourself from that sitiation if you are able. I would think it is without saying, that keeping ones self from unneedingly going into a rage would be a vary smart thing."
[21:10] * +RyanM nodded at that
[21:10] * +Angel` she hugged fin "id never try and hurt him or command him to do anything dangrious but if one of you told him to get scace or go do something helpful or stay out of a Trueblood discussion id hope he would listen" she smiled to Fin and looked back to Four and Ryan.
[21:10] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "And the first one is about respect, too. Those below ya ain't got what it takes ta be where you are, or they'd be there. If someone is higher rank, chances are they know somethin you don't. You godda trust em and not give 'em crap. That one ties into that War Time/Peace Time laws."
[21:11] <+RyanM> And if a kin don't want to listen when an order is given, well, that's when things get hazy...
[21:12] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "If da boss tells you to don somethin, and there's no problem, ya do it, right? Now, if the boss tells you ta do somethin and you got a problem with it? Then you gotta raise yer head and look. What's goin on? Does this elder have time to talk to you about it because we're at peace? Or, does it need done now because somethin' important is goin' on? If there;s a crisis, ya do what ye told."
[21:12] * +Angel` nods to brezze too.
[21:12] * +Finnegan_O`Connell puts and arm around Angel as he's hugged, looking between her and the others.
21:12] <+RyanM> Falls on their mate to see that they respect what's due. But to protect them when that power is abused. Aye?
[21:13] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "As for Kin - now if a Kin is here hangin' out, this ain't a clubhouse. If a Kin is here they're here ta help and they need to be helpin. Kin are way at the bottom, below da cubs even, because they have no idea what it's like. If they don't wanna respect that and don't wanna help they don't need ta be underfoot."
[21:14] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "But they also aint slaves - if one of 'em wants to be around us big dangerous brutes n' help us against enemies, we gotta appreciate that. Really, Litany aside, anyone doin' their bit should be appreciated and anyonen not needs to be put in line 'r replaced."
[21:15] * +Angel` nods a bit to that "and I agree with that too. Everyones got a job to do. I dont have to but I like to bake so I help there but my jobs primarly to be ready to go claw soemthing up thats threatning any of gaias creatures." she looked to fin smilign softly then to four listening.
[21:15] <+M`> a huge wolf Pads down slowly.. the thing almost the size of some hipso's. the long deep black furr had touches of vilent and blue.. it move sit down and watch them all
[21:15] * +RyanM nodded to the group
[21:16] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *settles down* "I guess ya gotta understand - that litany is like everything else, too. One piece at a time, is nothin', ya can't look at it that way. It's one big thing with a buncha parts that work tagether, and if ya can't see that then you can't unnerstandit."
[21:17] * +RyanM nodded and smiled a bit.
[21:17] <+Angel`> "True too Four, but my issue ive seen a lot of, and maybe it was jsut brought to my forfrount, was that kin who came from a diffrent sept and disrespected Draka like she did..i mean not only was she a kin but also she wasnt even a member of our sept. have just..ive bee told all my life these are the rules you follow them, you protect all of gaias creatures because thats what I do, but I have been seening more and more kin not respecting us"
[21:18] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> She speaks the true. 'she nods to Four.' Kin are not slave. They are an intragel part of the nation and should be shown at least that much respect. They have there place in the nation as you true borns have your own. 'She would lifts a talon to tap at her jaw.' One reason it has vexed Young wind to no end when she has seen some garou treating kin as if they were less then
[21:18] <+Shadow_wind> dirt, or mere things.
[21:19] <+M`> the Larhe wolf shifted to a tall six foot six woman and strethced out.. and then crossed her arm. she was in a tshirt and boxers only. as se came down just et a beer.. the woman head tilting" Can i ehlp?"
[21:19] * M` is now known as Reily`
[21:19] * +Angel` nods as she looked to brezze to "no not slaves"
[21:19] <+RyanM> I know my place. My mate knows hers. She is my lover, confidant, and one day may carry future warriors.
[21:20] <+RyanM> In return i fight to protect her.
[21:20] * +Angel` looekd to Reily "we are discussing the Litany and spifictly the respect those above and below you and how it comes to deal with Kin."
[21:20] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> Indeed they are not hun, though unfortunatly, there are many that think that they are.
[21:20] <+RyanM> My tribe sadly is not always so kind.
21:20] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So this one time I was in da shop up with Big Al & Vinnie. Now, what it was was they needed a triuphver... they needed a groupa three guys, elders from different tribes. Now, Big Al is an Elder glass walker, and he wa shandy, n' the Wolfe Street shop is real private, so this here Shadow lord and this here Fenrir show up to have a little meeting in the back room."
[21:21] * +Finnegan_O`Connell turns and looks over at the large wolf as she shifts and nods in greeting as she joins the conversation.
[21:21] <+Angel`> "I think a reason I am asking is I am about to challnge for my adren rank yet I still have so many questions. I know the laws but maybe learning how it is interpited by the rest of the tribes might help understanding them more not jsut knowing and obeying them."
[21:21] * +Mikkelus offers Reilly a smile and a nod, though his hands were rather occuiped. Then again... how many chances in a lifetime do you have to give skritches to a spirit-dragon?
[21:22] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Now Vinnie, see, he doesn't like stuffed shorts much and back then he had a little trouyble keepin his tongue; he's a hot-head. So this Shadow lord, he don't like 'im. Maybe this guy ain't properly polite to Vinnie, yeah, but Vinnies a Cliath and this Lord and lady are Elders n' here for business.
[21:22] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "But Vinnie ends up mouthin' off to this Shadow Lord as they're gettin' settled into tha meeting. Now, this is Big Al's turf,. his responsibility, ya know? This comes back on him."
[21:23] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So 'e takes Vinnie upside the head with a three-inch spanner, puts him right on the floor. Apologized, they all had a real nice meetin' while Vinnie had a real nice nap.
[21:23] * +RyanM upnodded to. Reilly politely.
[21:24] <+RyanM> Tire iron diplomacy at its finest.
[21:24] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Now ever since then, Vinnie still don't like stuffed-shirts, but when he sees one he remembers he's got a lump on his skull that ya can size a three-inch bolt against 'n he keeps his trap shut."
[21:24] * +Reily` Blinks and then Nodded." and what do you all think Mmm? where do kin fall?"
[21:25] * +Angel` nods to four "Ohh I can see what your saying, wow." nods to that and looked to Reilly respect given to the athro with a bow of the head ing reeting before back to four and back to reily "Me?"
[21:27] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *looks at Ryan* "Half-inch spanner."
[21:28] <+Trish> ((**sorry that was at reilly))
[21:29] * +Finnegan_O`Connell lets Angel go and walks over to a chair to sit, glancing at Four.
[21:29] * +RyanM bowed his head to the elder wolf
[21:30] * +Mikkelus raises an eyebrow at Four's anaolgy, waiting for an elaboration while continuing to knead and stroke the dragon
[21:33] <+Reily`> the elder wolf waiting for their asnwers.." All of you"
[21:35] <+RyanM> Kin are there to support us. They raise our children, comfort us. But they're still... important. Still deserving of some manner of respect and decency.
[21:35] <+RyanM> If my understanding is correct.
21:36] <+Angel`> "To me Kin are a gift from gaia , not only to help us keep the worrior line strong but to be there for us when we come home, to remind us what we are fighting for. To love us even when we are bloody and angry and bitchy.. we are to protect and care for them but they also should know what not to do like talking back to any trueblood is a big nono because if they disespect and elder or even a cub or claith. it all comes back on thier mate. Eathier mate, tribe, or parent. "
[21:38] <+Reily`> she stopped and then cracked a beer, adjusted her boxers so not flash them anything improper and sat" Yes. and No. Mmm have any of you ever heard of the twins?" she asked softly.
[21:39] <+Angel`> "I have not no."
[21:40] * +RyanM listened in to the elder wisdom
[21:40] * +Angel` she'd put her hand in fins and turn to look at the elder and listen.
[21:41] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Tha Simpson Twins?"
[21:41] <+Reily`> She looks over the rest sipping her beer as she waited. and then began" Many years ago. a set of twin's were born. One was of the true blood. his brother? was Not. a Kinfolk. they were born to the shadowlords the legend goes. And like many shadow lords. enemies were made" she said sipping the beer.
[21:42] * +Mikkelus thinks, listens, not wishing to interrupt. His hands continued to offer Breeze the warmth of his vitality
[21:42] * +Angel` listned intently for angel really was trying to learn from every one that was why shed asked the question earlyier.
[21:42] * +Finnegan_O`Connell curls his fingers around the hand, looking at it quietly as he listens.
[21:42] <+Reily`> " So the twin brother. though not true born was a warrior, and honorable. true. But understood his place. Kin are here to serve us.. as we serve me. as gaia gives us each a duty. we protect. the bears heal.. the felines find secerts.. But kinfolk have their own place.."
[21:43] * +RyanM sat back and smiled some.
[21:43] <+Reily`> " a war party came marching on the castle. The trueborn, a Ahroun alpha. was prepaired to fight this army of the wyrm.. and then fight them all... As it was only he. the wyrm was here to destroy for some reason lost to legend."
[21:45] * +Angel` she listened and held tight to fins hand.
[21:45] <+Reily`> " the ahroun was about go to battle, when his brother stabed and half gutted, him.. stopping him. and ordered the rest takethe ahroun from the battle. to save his brother.. and to move the caern heart stone. and save the rest.. "
[21:45] <+Reily`> " and then. the Kin.. dressed as his brother. Went out to fight.. the wyrm. So his brother. His people could live. Why?"
[21:46] * +Angel` blinkked
[21:46] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Becasue a' duty."
[21:46] <+Angel`> "Wow, really?"
[21:46] <+RyanM> To protect and honor his family.
[21:46] * +RyanM closed his eyes nodding.
21:46] <+Reily`> " Correct. Angel. you need realize. Kinfolk. are ours to protect.. and Honor. but they also have a scared duty to us.."
[21:47] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *pads over* "Here, let me say dis. You know Metis, right?"
[21:47] * +Angel` looked between them all. "But were the ones who are suposed to protect the,." she blinkked again it was hard for her to understand , she was but it still was a new way for her to hear it.
[21:47] <+Reily`> " we should not treat them as slaves or breeders only. that is part of the garou shall not mate with garou.. to stop shameful metis like me.. and also. To make us realize the kinfolk hgave a holy duty.." and she loks at four." Yes I am metis"
[21:47] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Imagine you had a Metis in yer sept who was born without da ability to heal & rage like da rest of us, right? Can you think of it?" *she asks Angel*
[21:48] * +Angel` looked to four a nod "I do yes, mom was one and I..Yes I know" she nods "Oh ok yes I can see i can think of that"
[21:48] <+RyanM> Does that make them any less a garou?
[21:48] <+RyanM> No. They still have their duty. And will carry it out.
[21:48] * +RyanM lookef to Four.
[21:49] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *waves a paw at Ryan* "
[21:49] <+Reily`> " correct. You need understand young one. I am not dismissing kinfolk. " she said softly." But we garou once forgot the special roles.. the war of rage. when we forgot other fera had sacred duties also."
[21:50] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "No, no, I am sayin. this guy is still your brotha. He is one of you, right? Born ta serve Gaia n' the cause. But you also gotta know, he can't do everything you do. If he gets his guts ripped out, they're stayin' out. And you gotta respect that."
[21:50] <+Reily`> " this is similar. the Kinfolk are here.. for us. To nuture us, guide us. understand and compationship.. but same point. their Not us."
[21:50] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "So, Kinfolk are like dat., They're family, but they git limits, serious ones, and we gotta keep that in mind. Appreciate the help they give, love n' protect 'em, but keep them away from what dey can't do or can't unnerstand."
[21:53] * +Reily` she nods gently.." Sir?" she eyed finn." your a kinfolk yes?"
[21:53] * +RyanM listened in quietly taking it all in.
[21:53] * +Finnegan_O`Connell blinks slowly and looks from Angel's hand to Reily. "Yes."
[21:53] * +Angel` she nods to both four and reily. Looking between them both. "I understand that, I do now but honestly it wasnt explained to me in that way. So My task has worked in away. I did learn a new way of thinking of it and that I thank you for. I am jsut trying to understand why some tribes hink diffrently, and perhapse that was why some kin act diffrently too. if there tought that way and.." she looked to fin
[21:54] <+Finnegan_O`Connell> "...Rhya." He adds.
[21:54] * +Mikkelus watches and listens, fingertips raking gently down the length of Breeze's neck and side
21:55] <+Reily`> " Do you know the Pain of shifting? Or how hard it is not to rage." she laughed." I am reily. I dont worry about Rank. if i did all these pups would need use it to" she chuckles.." my point is as four said.. i dont want you feel. Underminsed or weaker. its just different. similar how.. I will never understand how you feel as human"
[21:56] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "You homnids and metis have it easy. You don't know what it's like startin otuy as a wolf. Man, I was so STUPID back then! I couldn;t figure out doorknobs, I slept in da dirt. It's humiliatin' to look back. And now, I can't even go back to dose wolfs I knew because i can't relate to 'em."
[21:57] <+RyanM> I'm.. sorry to hear that Four...
[21:57] * +Mikkelus looked at Four then, offering a curiously sad and knowing smile
[21:57] * +RyanM listened to the conversation quietly.
[21:59] * +Shadow_wind <Breeze> would shift her position some. "All vary true and valid points. But dispite there limits, there are times were even the kin, or any mortal can rise above and beyond what one might think was there limits." She murrs deeply a moment. "Then again, any one can be full of surprises, if given even half a chance."
[21:59] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) *widens her eyes and sits up* "Whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry, I didn;'t mean ta crash da party, don't feel bad, I'm fine now." *she pauses* "Huh.... party crasher..." *she tugs a pad from her belt and writes down a note, holding the pen in her widdle paw*
22:00] <+RyanM> It's cool Four. :he smiled some
[22:01] * +Finnegan_O`Connell glances at Four and then the dragon spirit, turning back to Reily with a single nod. "Being different has been one of the clearest points for me, since I came here."
[22:01] * +Angel` smiled to four "no no, thank you for your help and advice too all of you have helped me understand some of my questions.
[22:02] <+Reily`> the large female reacheds out and strokes fours head once
[22:03] <+RyanM> It's good to hear these things from our elders.
[22:03] <+RyanM> Those whose wisdom far surpasses our own.
[22:05] <+Reily`> she laughs and then sips more beer." some think i break the litany at times.. I just learned it differently.snd see a different side"
[22:05] <+RyanM> We all interpret it differently.
[22:05] <+RyanM> Some of my tribe back home disagreed with a lot of my thoughts on a few different issues.
[22:06] * +Reily` she downed the last her beer. and yawns
[22:07] * +Angel` nods "and thats what I am so confused about. I grew up learning what mom learned at that was the Fenris way. More or less. So learning from different rhymes be you elder or not, you all are helping me understand things that I think is import for us all to know."
[22:08] <+RyanM> The Garou Nation are a collection of many. We all need to learn to work together sometimes.
[22:09] <+Trish> ((..Four..)) "Yup, just like an engine, we need all our parts. From normal little cliaths like Angel here ta this ragabash elder to weirdos like me to that scary wolf livin back in da corner, we're all in it toagther - even if all our teeth don't want to line up side-bu-side."
[22:09] <+Reily`> " Angel. I am not a elder. Onlt a Anthro." she laughed and stood, scatched her balls. then moved to grab anothe rbeer
[22:09] <+Shadow_wind> <Breeze> Unfortunatly dears, as that saying goes, that is easier said then done. 'she shakes her ehad sadly.'
[22:11] <+RyanM> I try not to be the stereotype my tribe is known for... I've gotten a lot of shit for it.
[22:11] <+RyanM> You can be political and proud without being a backstabbing murderer as others put it to me once.
2:11] * +Angel` nods "still rhyas then thank you all of you for this nice converation it was nice to sit and discus soemthing like this.. now one more question any one know cinnmons faviors food?"